Answering Skeptics: Poosh
I decided to address this as a post, since Poosh (like me) has a habit of leaving long comments.
Not only was it gay porn, but it was next to a jar of petroleum jelly, and I believe the fingerprint of the accuser was on it as well. Michael Jackson's sexuality doesn't concern me; if this kid had been eighteen, nobody could have touched Jackson. I may disagree with the lifestyle, but with the exception of some antiquated sodomy laws (many of which would outlaw oral sex as well), homosexuality and bisexuality are absolutely legal. I think I also remember that the magazine was akin to the "barely legal" type magazines, not only homosexual, but featuring men who appeared to be younger than their actual ages.
I think there's some truth to that, but I think this case goes beyond that. How many absolute whack jobs are there in Hollywood who are never harassed by police? I'd consider Marilyn Manson, or Rob Zombie, or Trent Reznor, or any of a number of other high profile musicians to be strange to the extent of dangerous. I don't think Jackson fits that category, particularly when you have, on camera, repeatedly, admissions that he sleeps with little boys that are not his own children. People don't dislike Michael Jackson strictly because he's strange; they decline to buy his music for that reason. People dislike Jackson because it's obvious that he's got some screws loose, and has put his own children in danger, right in front of the eyes of the world.
Agreed.
Let's say for a minute that you're right. What makes you think that Michael Jackson would tell his family the truth? We're talking about someone who, if he committed these crimes, did so in such a way that it would be nearly impossible to track. Harley suggested, and it may not be out of the realm of possibility, that Jackson may have even selected this particular family to prey on because they were a train wreck.
This is the same Michael Jackson who, when he was arrested, charged that the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Deputies dislocated his shoulder, cuffed him so tight that his wrists swelled up, and locked him in a room with walls covered in feces. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department was able to absolutely and categorically refute these charges. Michael Jackson has zero credibility, so I don't buy the argument that his family would somehow just know what was going on, and even if they did, I also don't buy that they'd just admit it, especially knowing the high stakes of the situation.
No disagreements from me on that one.
I don't know about liars or actors. I think it would be pretty difficult for a woman who was this much of a train wreck to somehow train her kids to do this kind of acting. I think that maybe D.A. Sneddon should have done a bit more homework, but overall I think the accuser was credible. You also had several celebrities brought in to testify who the Defense said were going to say that the lady was a gold digger, and most of them said that she wasn't.
Bottom line, there's really not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that Jackson is guilty of these crimes, and this acquittal basically gives him a blank check to do it as often as he likes. No prosecutor in the country is going to try this again unless they have this kind of evidence...
All that jury did today was to put a giant target on the back of every adolescent boy whose parents are stupid enough to take them to the Neverland Ranch, and if today's coverage is any indication, there are plenty of parents stupid enough to take their children to the Neverland Ranch.
OK. I still think he's innocent but I have a doubt. I did not know that the porn found in his room was also gay porn. I'm just saying it seems odd that that sort of porn was found in his room. Something isn't right there. If he wasn’t as was alleged trying to seduce the kids with the porn than what – he was bisexual? Curious? An ordering mishap?
Not only was it gay porn, but it was next to a jar of petroleum jelly, and I believe the fingerprint of the accuser was on it as well. Michael Jackson's sexuality doesn't concern me; if this kid had been eighteen, nobody could have touched Jackson. I may disagree with the lifestyle, but with the exception of some antiquated sodomy laws (many of which would outlaw oral sex as well), homosexuality and bisexuality are absolutely legal. I think I also remember that the magazine was akin to the "barely legal" type magazines, not only homosexual, but featuring men who appeared to be younger than their actual ages.
I still think most people don't give a shit about the children or the truth, they've hated Michael because he's a freak and they try to rationalise it with this trial but it's just a cover.
I think there's some truth to that, but I think this case goes beyond that. How many absolute whack jobs are there in Hollywood who are never harassed by police? I'd consider Marilyn Manson, or Rob Zombie, or Trent Reznor, or any of a number of other high profile musicians to be strange to the extent of dangerous. I don't think Jackson fits that category, particularly when you have, on camera, repeatedly, admissions that he sleeps with little boys that are not his own children. People don't dislike Michael Jackson strictly because he's strange; they decline to buy his music for that reason. People dislike Jackson because it's obvious that he's got some screws loose, and has put his own children in danger, right in front of the eyes of the world.
The documentary you’ve seen shows copious evidence of psychological problems and shows that Michael’s mindset is simply not on the same wavelength of an adult’s – be the adult normal or pedophilic.
Agreed.
His family have come out to protect him, and I don’t believe that all of his family would protect and lie for him, if kids were actually harmed. And if you have a family member who is a pedophile – you know.
Let's say for a minute that you're right. What makes you think that Michael Jackson would tell his family the truth? We're talking about someone who, if he committed these crimes, did so in such a way that it would be nearly impossible to track. Harley suggested, and it may not be out of the realm of possibility, that Jackson may have even selected this particular family to prey on because they were a train wreck.
This is the same Michael Jackson who, when he was arrested, charged that the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Deputies dislocated his shoulder, cuffed him so tight that his wrists swelled up, and locked him in a room with walls covered in feces. The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department was able to absolutely and categorically refute these charges. Michael Jackson has zero credibility, so I don't buy the argument that his family would somehow just know what was going on, and even if they did, I also don't buy that they'd just admit it, especially knowing the high stakes of the situation.
The man thinks he’s fucking Peter Pan ffs. I do think his kids should be taken away from him, he is not fit to Father children.
No disagreements from me on that one.
I still think the witnesses on the prosecution were liars and actors and were in court to get back at Michael.
I don't know about liars or actors. I think it would be pretty difficult for a woman who was this much of a train wreck to somehow train her kids to do this kind of acting. I think that maybe D.A. Sneddon should have done a bit more homework, but overall I think the accuser was credible. You also had several celebrities brought in to testify who the Defense said were going to say that the lady was a gold digger, and most of them said that she wasn't.
Bottom line, there's really not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that Jackson is guilty of these crimes, and this acquittal basically gives him a blank check to do it as often as he likes. No prosecutor in the country is going to try this again unless they have this kind of evidence...
Prosecutor: Mr. Chappelle, what would it take to convince you that R. Kelly is guilty?
Dave Chappelle: Okay, I'd have to see a video of him singing "Pee On You," two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity.
R. Kelly's Grandma: That's my Robert, always peeing on people.
All that jury did today was to put a giant target on the back of every adolescent boy whose parents are stupid enough to take them to the Neverland Ranch, and if today's coverage is any indication, there are plenty of parents stupid enough to take their children to the Neverland Ranch.
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